I went with you to Fundamentalist and Fresh Oil conferences, Pastors' School, Missions, and Youth Conferences. Contributors control their own work and posted freely to our site. I started listening to country music, drinking beer, watching movies, and eventually joined the military. Subscribe for as little as $5/mo to start commenting on Rods blog. That was weak (cupping ear)..congregation: AMEN (at top of lungs). The Fort Worth Star-Telegram has done some very impressive and important reporting in its long special report on sexual abuse and cover-ups in independent fundamental Baptist churches across the country. They are going out of their way to send a few to heaven, while you are going out of your way to send a few more to hell. If this doesnt work, she shall make the Sunday evening edition, Enjoy everyone! The writings that I've read from former IFBs are some of the strongest testimonies to the strength and decency of the human spirit I've ever come across. The submissiveness of women to their husbands can be found here which is not only present in churches, this is a cultural phenomenon which also impacts the faith. The cause is clear. Where you claim what's true. This is an independent fundamental Baptist program that has chapters in churches all across the country. Pray tell, Kathy, what are you going to tell me about the Bible that I dont already know? The basic beliefs of this group is Anti-LGBT, Misogyny, Anti-Worldliness, KJV Bible only, anti-semitism, and more. This means that God changed his mind, yes? Hundreds of Sex Abuse Allegations Found in Fundamentalist BaptistChurches, Fea wrote, following the Star-Telegrams report. Careers Workplace and Religion Columnists, Recreation Outdoors and Religion Columnists, Religious Music and Entertainment Columnists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, special report on sexual abuse and cover-ups in independent fundamental Baptist churches across the country, Hundreds Accuse Independent Baptist Pastors of Abuse, Hundreds of Sex Abuse Allegations Found in Fundamentalist BaptistChurches, Slavery and 'how to interpret the Bible' (cont'd.). In America, a former member of the Church of England, Roger Williams, separated from officials in the Massachusetts Bay Colony over his belief about church functions. New IFB Beliefs. Not sure if they are trinitarian. KJV-onlyism is certainly not a core doctrine of the Christian faith for any Christian who doesnt speak English. I spent thousands and thousands of hours reading and studying the Bible. If thou dost sin and eat at a restaurant (due to the slothful disposition of thy wife), then thou shalt leave a tract for the server-never a tip. Cat got his tongue? Other Christians who were once, or who would once have been, clearly a part of the fundamentalist camp Al Mohler, Ken Ham, David Barton, etc. Having studied this group in particular, he provides some excellent background: The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the 1920s. Exempt this special report from your paywall. I never understood it. The one thing I do want to say for anyone just making their way out of the darkness of Independent Fundamental Baptists is this: that you once so thoroughly bought into IFB is a sign of your strength, not your weakness. 5.) Many say baptism is required for salvation and I have been pushed to do so. For this reason IFB churches vigorously renounce the idea that IFB constitutes a denomination: each church, they hold, is a kingdom unto itself and obliged to cooperate with exactly no other church body, IFB or otherwise. (Not the liberal InterVarsity, mind you, Campus Crusade.). Many of you signed my Bibles. Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world. Any issues, even legal issues, go to the pastor first, not the police. Unlike the Catholic Church, the fundamental Baptist church considers itself to be made up of independent entities. Thus the words "Independent" and "Fundamental . We were in that same space somewhere between fundamentalism and CT-style evangelicalism that Jerry Falwell Sr. found himself in. Select your instrument according to the child's size. So hard to tell if it is a cult. This is the Christianity of millions of North Americans. But they also have a high regard for the Bible. I was recently asked to write a few words of support and love for the members of two Facebook groups, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Cult Survivors and Do Right Hyles-Anderson. And lets not forget the old For him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin catch-all At my IFB church that I grew up in I loved how they used to use that one to justify saying anything they didnt agree with or like was a SIN . Fundies forget that God can do a sudden I have changed my mind crazy Ivan on them at any moment. I remember thinking what an idiot he was. You dont report to police because the pastor is the ultimate authority, not the government.. Blockbuster report about systemic sex crimes in ultra-conservative Protestant churches. Both times, people knew about his would-be abusers behavior and did nothing to stop it. Never put him down and then allow him to get up. Because its in human nature, for one, and for another, because the clergy have an extraordinary amount of power (real and symbolic) within the ecclesiology of both churches. Then Hyles would yell from the pulpit that If the barn needed paintingand the men would hoopla with their Bibles waving in the air. Brightseat Rd + Third St. $43,000 - $55,000 a year. You loved them in that (and a million other) ways. They really spend too much time debating. While neo-evangelicals sent their kids to Wheaton College or Fuller Theological Seminary, fundamentalist Baptist kids went toBob Jones UniversityorPensacola Christian College. Thou shalt not ever drink alcohol, unless its done in secret and confessed as sin on Sunday. in fundamentalism for pastors and churches and ministries to just gloss over and sweep under the rug things of absolute epic proportion, he said in the video. It's chief spokesman was J.R. Graves (1820-1893) and other key early figures include A.C. Dayton (1813-1865) and J.M. . My religious upbringing was pretty bizarre, but this stuff? al. The Star-Telegram discovered at least 412 allegations of sexual misconduct in 187 independent fundamental Baptist churches and their affiliated institutions, spanning 40 states and Canada. All these Rules have nothing to do with Salvation.Jesus set us free from bondage called Legalism.Galatians5.This There rules but not biblical.This is a system of control its a man made book of rules. And what can possibly be more worthy of a person's love than God and family? To members of the Facebook groups mentioned above: Our characters are forged in the crucible of what we survive. Faith alone. Many watch movies in their home.what is the difference? If you spend any time covering sexual abuse story, any belief that congregations are never complicit in abuse and cover-up goes evaporates quickly. Here has been a few problems that caused divisions in the body of Christ thanks to some Independent Fundamental Baptists: 1.) And when you cant question your leaders, weve seen it in politics, you know what happens. It's you who are singing the songs that need to be heard. Truly horrifying. They also typically teach that the translators of the . The Baptist church started in the 17th century in America. The fundamentals first, then warp the bible to fit the fundamentals, and all gods people said.amen. This means that IFB churches do not look to creeds, confessions, or church councils to determine their doctrinal positions. I've been looking for a church that does baptisms and a church up the road does them. This list sounds alot like the Mennonite Church rule book. She then administers [to a three-year-old] about ten slow, patient licks on his bare legs. I guarantee you that most independent fundamentalist Baptists in this country are furious at the Star-Telegram today. Become a member and enjoy the very best from The American Conservative in print & digital. He may not be able to sleep, but he can be trained to lie there quietly. Stuart Hardy was a youth and music pastor at an independent fundamental Baptist church in Michigan. Im saved now, right? There are a lot more where these came from, lmao . You arent any different than those of us who have been where you are Cathy. And like everyone else in the world you want that love to mean something, to be incorporated into and desired by something worthy of it. Thou shalt not have more than one hole in each ear shall be amended as follows: WOMEN ONLY shall be permitted no more than one piercing in the earlobe of each ear. I remember one of the missionary wives who was married to the man who used to be a division leader in the bus ministry at hac and fbc and I always thought she looked and dressed so incredibly homely, almost as if she walked straight out of Little House on the Prairie set. If you need to flag this entry as abusive. Let me stress here at the beginning that this is not about churches affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention; those Baptist churches are thought to be too liberal by the independent fundamentalists. This will of course be true with any large group of people. If you are a young woman, thou shalt wear knee-length dresses, with hose and heels at summer camp in the woods in the red clay mud when it rains. More than 200 people current or former church members, across generations shared their stories of rape, assault, humiliation and fear in churches where male leadership cannot be questioned. I really want to write a book or start a podcast about all this shit at some point. (2) Evangelical culture has a conference and lecture circuit with celebrities and quasi-celebrities who come to cities for weekend workshops and one-night lectures that provide opportunities to sin and go, leaving behind casualties. A 2016 report on the university's handling of sexual assault found a "fundamental failure by Baylor to implement Title IX." The report noted "that Baylor's efforts to implement Title IX were. IndependentBaptist.com was founded in an attempt to bring back the principles that lifted our movement in the 60's and 70's and that need to be revived in this day. It is sinful for a woman to dress in any way that might cause a man to spiritually stumble by having even the slightest lustful thought. Unless you are a college student on a bus route. A case in which an adult woman publicly accused a prominent pastor of having manipulated her at age 16 into giving him oral sex and having an adulterous relationship: When Giovanelli resigned from Golden State Baptist College after the abuse allegation went viral, the chancellor of the college and the pastor of its affiliated church asked the congregation to pray for the church, the college, and the Giovanelli family. When in the 1940s and 1950s former fundamentalists such as Billy Graham, Carl F.H. God changes his mind several times in the Bible. Another rule for students was that thou shalt not attend the roller skating rink upon threat of expulsion. You could look into resolutions by Fundamental Baptist Fellowship International or World Congress of . If I do Ill comment on this comment with details. There's something going on that wasn't here before. They pretended to be something they weren't. You did what you were supposed to do: you sacrificed yourself. If your neighbor saw you leaving the Cinemaplex, he wouldnt know what movie you had watched, leading him to have questions about your faith. The pastor, Jack Trieber, dressed in a yellow tie and matching pocket square, reached into his pocket to put on his glasses before reading a statement that allegations of inappropriate conduct had been made against Giovanelli. Thank the almighty for the military to fix that shiz, lol. Below are five beliefs that set apart Baptists from other Protestant Christians. They used you as fodder in the war between themselves and everything they fear. My mom grew up with this rule but never was told why. More: Nevertheless, [Bishop] Andonios [Chancellor of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese] said he decided to reinstate [Father Gerasimos] Makris because parishioners demanded it. I am certain you are far more intelligent a man than I am, so I do not wish to debate you. #1. It was they who didn't truly commit to the truths upon which they claimed to be basing their lives. I am curious why the Ifb doesnt want Christians to go to the movie theatre? Today, the independents are separating, even among themselves, over issues such as Bible translations, music style, and dress. Defeat him totally. 3.) Aug 10, 2008. This is especially important, since the pastor needs his bodyguard detail rotated every so often. By entering your email and clicking Sign Up, you're agreeing to let us send you customized marketing messages about us and our advertising partners. Educating children at home or in IFB K-12 schools is necessary in order to protect them from the knowledge and ways of a fallen and corrupt world. Thou shalt not speak in Sunday morning service if thou be a woman, unless you are the soloist and you want to give thanks and praise to Jesus for the wonderful song. The scope, scale, and particulars of the widespread abuses they uncover are heartbreaking and enraging. You loved, and loved, and loved some more. And because of your trusting love for them, you let them. So men cant have facial hair but women can? Look at homosexuality within the priesthood. Preacherboys should watch it in the college gym; anywhere else is worldly. If fundies really understood this, it would probably scare the shit out of them. Much of what we think of as the religious right would fall into that murky space in between old-school fundamentalism and the mainstream evangelicalism of Billy Graham et. The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards Thou shalt obey the pastor at all times Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman Thou shalt obey your parents at all times The Lord Jesus Christ Saves - His Plan of Salvatio Real Men Love Pink A Collection of Quotes by A. W. Pink, Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. Your comments are welcome and appreciated. I subjected myself to such rules for decades, believing I was obeying God. It used to be that independent Baptists separated themselves from other Christians over important doctrines, such as the virgin birth of Christ or the inspiration of the Scriptures. Jesus gives his own list in the Sermon on the Mount and Matthew 24/25. In response to an explosive investigation, top Southern Baptists have released a previously secret list of hundreds of pastors and other church-affiliated personnel accused of . Transportation Services Coordinator. Thou shalt not work a job as a woman even if thou canst afford the private school and live in a shitty house because your husband spends all his after tax money on the private school and tithing. Independent fundamental Baptist churches include those loosely affiliated in fellowships more common in the North as well as those whose pastors may share particular networksmore common in the South Central Baptist Theological Seminary professor Kevin Baudertold Quick to Listenfor the CT podcasts explainer on such churches. This is a difficult question to answer because IFB is not a denomination, and each church is independent, but there are Fundamentalist fellowships and congresses which have met on rare occasion and have mentioned Calvinism. You were right; they were wrong; and no sane person in the world would say otherwise. It uses the Bible to "treat" everything from porn addiction to drug addiction. I got a good laugh reading the list brought back some not so good memories from my time in a IFB church. When he got in trouble, Hyles was able to simply move on, from one church assignment to the next. Its not a good thing.. I grew up in a similar church. During the 1970s and 1980s, Falwell seemed to operate in a space somewhere between the independent Baptist world of his upbringing and the neo-evangelicalism of Billy Graham andChristianity Today. And may you recognize your error while there is still time. Johannes Vermeer's treatment of love distinguished him from his peers. The modern fundie bible is full of contradictions and lies. (And yes, martial arts are ok, even though they originated from Asian sources; well win those yellow devils to Jesus, eventually). Good day, sir. People do not like to be made to confront ugly things. By David J. Stewart. And the all important, Thou shalt not, never, under no circumstances, not even in thought, criticize the pastor. Gods anointed, remember! You love passionately, deeply and inexorably. All of it so true and I laughed out loud at some of them!!! When the apostles, the first members of the first church, and others went out preaching the Gospel and establishing other churches, this authority was transferred to them. Independent Baptist Churches believe the following "Independent Baptist Distinctives": 1. The biggest difference would be in the way they practice separation. Landover, MD 20785. He is his own man and refuses to be tied down or corralled by anything. Each IFB church is wholly autonomous and free from any outside governance. You are to rule over him as a benevolent sovereign. Homosexuals are evil perverts who despise God and should be kept away from society generally and children especially. A few members of that church were hard-core, old-school fundies. We were you at one time. Dr. R has some real practical theology problems. Spending TOO MUCH time with conspiracy theories than fundamental Bible preaching. This is why I love Jesus. Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/gods-grace-bible-study-wi/support Truth Unbound with Walter Swaim 11h ago The website, New IFB Singles, is a ministry of Veracity Baptist Church and is lead by New . The Star-Telegram series is long, but I encourage you to read the whole thing. This guide to "consistently rewarding every transgression with a switching" (from the book's introduction) has sold more than 670,000 copies. The Bible has plenty in it of rules, and I doubt someone who believes in a burning hell forever can really get a supposed love message across.