There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. I had a pawl spring break on my late 1980's era EMF 1860 (Armi San Marco). 6d 19h left (Thu, 11:33 AM) $29.95 Buy It Now +$7.95 shipping Sponsored Genuine ASM & CVA - Stop Bolt - For Remington 1858 Revolver - Armi San Marco New (Other) $27.95 Buy It Now +$3.99 shipping Sponsored My Command Sergeant Major made me promise to shoot it and not just keep it in my safe. Claimed copyright infringement. No record exists of his ever giving an Ordinary, Plain workmanlike Pistol, to anyone who might actually have to FIGHT with the badly designed piece of Junk!!!!! I now buy all of my replicas from one distributor EMF Company. The Beals model came earlier, then the Old Model Army/Navy, and, finally, the new Model. One reason is I am new to bp and have no one to ask for help. Barrel: 12 inch Same as for buying an 1873 Colt Peacemakerjust because it was designed prior to 1899 doesnt mean that you can have it shipped to your door. Still have one that is now a back up. Some folks claim doing so helps prevent chain fires, or all the cylinders going off at once. Original blued finish, case colored frame, brass trigger guard and backstrap. THE BORE IS MIRROR .45 Colt; 98% blue, mint bore, near mint grips, 7 1/2'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUTION OF A COLT 1871 OPEN TOP REVOLVER IN NEAR NEW CONDITION. No rust on my guns! Any gun made before Jan 1 1999 i is an antique gun, and requires no involvement of an FFL holder. Stamped on top of octagon barrel "1855 SPAIN". First, only one person had the cutoff date right; it is 1998 / 99. Me too. Oh, and dont use your telephone to order them, either. It was a good gun but it went down the road in a swap as I don't care for the grip frame on the Remingtons. I had not planned to involve myself in another topic, but there was so much conflicting information about what guns do and do not require involvement of the BATF. I HAVE A 1858 44CAL. I have done extensive testing of Black Powder guns and have a webpage with my collected Energy Data here: http://poconoshooting.com/blackpowderballistics.html. Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO. Grips in very good condition, brass trigger guard 44 Caliber; 94% blue, very good bore, good grips, 9'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUCTION OF A COLT 1847 WALKER PERCUSSION REVOLVER. Two Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: May 25, 2022. My First Colt Style Gun, and my Last Colt style gun! But that same design made the Remington more robust than the Colts and also gave the advantage of rapid cylinder swapping. Water is definitely the very best way to get rid of Black Powder fouling. SOLD Of course, walking around with fully-loaded and capped extra cylinders on your belt or in your pocket can be a bit dicey. WebThat isn't going to be the case with the Italian replicas, but more often than not the answer is easily found stamped on the revolver. Model: 1858. JavaScript is disabled. 1899. Minor handling dings - see photos Standard 8" octagon barrel. For shooting comfortable loads for target shooting I use 20g black-powder followed with 20g of Cream of Wheat then the ball and finally the lard-beeswax. 1873 Rifle Manual. Didn't happen though. There are about three or four brands out there, so find the one that works best. Second, every forum has those who will not allow an absence of knowledge interfere with their conveyance of information. THE BLUING IS NEAR FLAWLESS AS IS THE CASE COLORED FRAME AND HAMMER. Lightning Manual. I have been told of caps jamming up a Remington Revolver, but in over Twenty Years of shooting Remingtons, have not had a single jam caused by a cap! Youve done a real service to fellow shooters there. Personally, I use wonder wads, commercially available round pieces of felt soaked in oil and wax (or you can make your own), between the ball and the powder. Exc condition, appears unfired. Turned out the Chaparral "factory" was just across the street and run by the gun shop's son . They supplied American retailers with replica firearms over the 1960s thru 1990s. This page was last updated: 04-Mar 00:33. I shot it again in the side and it stop rolling around. It is all nickle, less the cylinder and plunger, which are gold, and a walnut grip. About 400 ft-lbs Energy. 36 BP; excellent bore, excellent stock, 9.5'' barrel, Manufactured in Italy. Ive been thinking of getting one since I recently watched Pale Rider. Blue in very good 44 Caliber; very good+ bore, good grips, 7.75'' barrel, Pietta .44 caliber Remington 1858 style six shot black powder revolver in nickel plate finish. She just a rolls out inna ya hand! A nice write-up and while it may be legal to take deer with the load described I would note that said load has less power than the 44-40 out of a m-92 carbine, a close range proposition to be sure. The open top revolver needed some work. However, I am 99% sure this is an Armi San Marco because my Armi San Marco cylinders cycle, time and lock perfectly in this pistol and If you boil your cylinders in a saucepan, then fish them oout with a slim piece of doweling, by the time they are cool enough to touch with the hand, ALL the water will have evaporated from the heat,and you can start right in re-loading them. THE BLUING ON THE OCTAGONAL BARREL SHOWS FRECKLING ALONG WITH LIGHT MUZZLE WEAR. Today, we know Old Number 21478 as the Remington 1858 . The front sight was okay, except that it was frequently made of brass, wich when polished by the inside of a holster, tended to reflect glare into the shooters eyes, but the rear sight was a crude notch, filed roughly into the tip of the hammer! The one who makes a career of it will begin to stick out like a sore thumb, before long just based on the volume of questionable facts he spouts. 1873 Rifle Manual. Retail $300. Second, every forum has those who will not allow an absence of knowledge interfere with their conveyance of information. WebRemington 1858 Armi San Marco 44 Black powder loading and shooting 4,144 views May 17, 2015 37 Dislike Share Save Harri Miettinen 68 subscribers Subscribe Shooting Brass (frame) is kinda pretty but Steel much stronger and more durable. Gauge: 44 percussion. Told the gunsmith I did not want a race gun, I just wanted it to work. Its parts will interchange with all 3 of my Colt 2nd Gen 1851, except the barrel (the pins at the front of the frame are placed differently). All of the Pietta replicas I have are fantastic, and they were all sourced from the same supplier (see last paragraph). The instruction manual back then did not give any information on proper cleaning. It is a very pretty gun with a 24 octogon barrel and a case hardened receiver. Today you can quickly convert your own Remington 1858, without first paying off some big corporation, by merely dropping in a cartridge conversion cylinder two popular versions are the Taylors R&D and Kirst conversions. All you have to do is go inside of a gun made by them and you will see how bad it is. I started out with 10 to 15 grains, then worked up. I still shot it without the ejector, and got pretty good at ejecting shells with a nail on a leather thong. There is research indicating that chain fires are probably caused by sparks getting under loose-fitting percussion caps. Now, 155 years later, you can still buy brand new versions of Fordyces design, mostly made in Italy. Thats meat harvesting and theres nothing wrong with it. Loved the pics too. Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO. While some parts just dropped right in and worked, the replacement hands needed the most work. The .44 ball over 35 grains is enough to kill a horse. Take that, and cross reference it the list below. THE BLUING IS NEAR FLAWLESS. Always like the Remington over the Colt design ever since seeing Lorne Greenes on Bonanza as a kid. To add to the confusion Chiappa did purchase the 92 rifle tooling and left over parts from ASM. There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. The Colt uses a "rampant" pony where the ASM is a pony just standing. WebBuy a Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Replica Italian made .44 Remington 1858 Replica by manufacturer Armi San Marco. The 1858 Remington is a single-action, cap-and-ball percussion revolver, usually .44 caliber, although versions were also made in both .31 and .36 calibers. These models have steel frames with German silver plated backstrap and trigger guard, inspectors cartouche on grip, and trade for approximately $20-$40 higher than standard My neighbor has a deer lease with a very comfortable raised blind. The conversion cylinders are also not regulated, so you can get all of those you want and no one has any record of it. - 2) a few of the triggergaurd and backstrap screw heads have flaked a bitcosmetic only so far. Everything you ever wanted to know about the 1858 Remington (and some things you didnt!). Cimarron Thunderer and hello again my good friends , I have a couple sets of BP cap/ball one is a mixed set of open top 1-36 navy and a 44 navy/army and the other is a set of 1858 new army is 44 any how was thinkin of pull-in them out of the safe and maybe doing a tune up ,try to soffen those big springs but don't see any thing on them any more , not a mention , were these "junk " guns .? For effective ignition, a ball has to fit tightly in the cylinder, and consequently a bit is shaved off when loading. THE BRIGHT BLUING IS EVEN THROUGHOUT. Amounts shown in italicized text are for items listed in currency other than U.S. dollars and are approximate conversions to U.S. dollars based upon Bloomberg's conversion rates. Not Richards Mason, but Richards like Tom Selleck had in "Sabre River". Armi San Marco was a family owned gun maker in Brescia, Italy. This was very helpful, Im thinking about buying one of these pistols and this gave a lot of information about the pistol and the of it. In my experience, the fit and finish of the Italian replicas is not so much who makes them as who imports them and sells them in the US. THERE ARE NO .45 Colt; 98% blue, very good+ bore, near mint grips, 3'' barrel, UBERTI CATTLEMAN REPRODUCTION OF A COLT SHERIFS MODEL IN EXCELLENT USED CONDITION. I boil all my cylinders in a saucepan, and pour boiling water through the barrels of the guns. It just looks cooler (IMO) than the navy, walker, or dragoon. FINISH SHOWS MODERATE HANDLING WEAR WITH LIGHT WEAR AND A NAVAL SCENE ENGRAVED ON THE CYLINDER. -drop safety-Hammer - Z52747, Lussignoli Renzo W. Moore/ London Reproduction - C53214, A. Uberti & C. Mod.1875 Army They were based primarily on the early 1st. Thatd be 24 shots of fairly rapid fire, not shabby even by todays standards. -drop safety-Hammer- - Z52749, Lussignoli Renzo W.Parker/ London Reproduction - C53215, A. Uberti & C. 1872 Open Top Keep both of these straight, and the possibility that someone (like me, maybe) just might make a mistake, so on your own, do some research on it , At first we never know which is which , but it doesnt take long to figure it out. 1876 Rifle Manual. The 1858 Remington is a single-action, cap-and-ball percussion revolver, usually .44 caliber, although versions were also made in both .31 and .36 calibers. .44 Caliber 8in Blued Octagonal Barrel Brass Guard Walnut Grip Steel Frame Top Strap/Post Sights Overall Length: 14.5in Weighs: 2.75 pounds Model: FR18582 WHY CUSTOMERS CHOSE THIS ITEM Specifications Questions & If you do this you dont need a wad. As neat as that would seem it can also be a curse. Remington with 40 grains. In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why I found that mis fires and hang fires happened all the time. About 150 ft-lbs Energy Price Realized: Details Payment Terms Shipping. Any help would be appreciated. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Finish in very good condition with some scratches and nicks. Do put grease in each chamber after loading. Thanks for clearing that up for me Steve, I do know however that the 74's made by the Chiappa are, having problems. Fine. Thanks. All Armi San Marco black powder cap and ball and cartridge conversion models were discontinued in 2000. Changes were made in the production guns to make sure they could not be passed off as an original. Mmmmmmlightly-grilled, corn-fed Bambis mother backstrap.mmmmmmm. FINISH SHOWS LIGHT HANDLING WEAR WITH LIGHT WEAR VISIBLE ON THE CYLINDER. The new value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.95) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $286.19 . The bad guy carries a Peacemaker (a bit earlier than its actual appearance, but what the hell, it aint a documentary) (Said to have claimed his last victem by shooting him twice, skinning him and nailing his hid on the livery stable door! Lightning Manual. .44 Caliber 8in Blued Octagonal Barrel Brass Guard Walnut Grip Steel Frame Top Strap/Post Sights Overall Length: 14.5in Weighs: 2.75 pounds Model: FR18582 WHY CUSTOMERS CHOSE THIS ITEM Specifications Questions & It has a central shotgun barrel (16 gauge? Look on the revolver barrel or bottom or side of cylinder frame. The Remington-Beals as it was called back then came into its own with the onset of the Civil War. Actually it was because of the pony on the grips AND the name, Colt won the lawsuit. The Colt type sighting was crude, to say the very least! Theres something fun about putting the Glock 30 away and taking out the Peacemaker. First load powder, then press ball. Bore and chambers in very good+ $395.00 Add to Cart Compare Pietta Remington Percussion - C55996 I just purchased an ASM replica of a 1858 Remington 44 and was wondering if anyone had any information about it. -drop safety-Hammer - Z52778, A. Uberti & C. Cattleman 1873 Any rifle, pistol or shotgun made prior to that majic date is paper free. WebBuy a Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Replica Italian made .44 Remington 1858 Replica by manufacturer Armi San Marco. They supplied American retailers with replica firearms over the 1960s thru 1990s. WebThat isn't going to be the case with the Italian replicas, but more often than not the answer is easily found stamped on the revolver. NRA Life, Ozark Posse, Southern Missouri Rangers, Bear Creek Volunteers, Dooley Gang, Geezer Gang. 21478. He sent it back twice because of some minor issues, but its a nice gun for ~$200. I did not grease the shutgun one time and thought to fire it last. well, few years ago I visited a gun shop in Brescia "Palmetto" and I was looking for the double gun they were selling (Chaparral Sidebyside) . Well its interesting still. The 2nd ASM is a Colt SAA clone, the EMF "Hartford" model. Ill stick to smokeless powder firearms from now on (because Im lazy!). I am a bit of a traditionalist so I have 50-50 lard-beeswax that I put on cylinder after loading; cleaning is easy with hot water and Ballistol. In 1993, the Hartford line was introduced by E.M.F. The bucks are off limits. Bluing shows wear and scratches overall with a turn ring and wear to the notches on the cylinder. It was a great pointer and very accurate. No. But, since he doesn't shoot "cowboy" any more it's part of my backup pair to my main Colt guns). It was stiff, clunky, and in the words of a couple of different pards, "painful to watch" me trying to use it. Meat harvesting is whats done here in Texas. with only two hands, juggle the fresh loaded cylnder onto the Arbor Pin, replace the barrel, and drive home the wedge, (Bearing in mind that ones horse might be objecting quite strenuously to all the Booms, Bangs, cracks, and the whine of Shells going past hie ears!. There was no penetration, but the deer died where I hit it. . After the first range trip, i tore it down to the last screw and cleaned/oiled the whole thing and still wound up with some rust on it when I put it back together the next day. A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years back for a Christmas gift for his son. WebASM Hammer (1858) Check Stock Price US$38.50 Quantity Item 2 Code 111ASM002 Description Asm Hammer (1863 Pocket) Check Stock Price US$24.20 Quantity Item 3 Both can be fixed just like Colt fixed them in the day. Model: 1858. Java, from Plymouth MA. I respect your opinion, but roll my eyes when you try to state that as a matter of fact when its an opinion. WOOD 36 Caliber; 75% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Uberti 1851 Navy 6 shot .36 caliber black powder revolover. Rolling They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. These models have steel frames with German silver plated backstrap and trigger guard, inspectors cartouche on grip, and trade for approximately $20-$40 higher than standard .44 Cal percussion. Didn't Colt threaten to sue ASM because of they're use of a "pony" on the grip? A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years back for a Christmas gift for his son. 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And thats part of the beauty of cap-and-ball revolvers; you can vary the powder charge any time you wantlight loads for plinking, and heavy loads for whatever. The cookie settings on this website are set to 'allow all cookies' to give you the very best experience. I used to also have an 1858 Remington clone by ASM. hikin PCT ,shooting steel bandits .TRAINS, shooting, hunting, fishing, blacksmithing. Colonel in Texas Army. I have several cap-and-ball revolvers, all made by Pietta. Grips for the Uberti 1873 Cattleman El Patron Grizzly Paw New Model as well as the 1860 and 1872 Colt army made by Cimarron, Pietta and Uberti. Stainless steel. gens. I am not convinced about black powder handguns for deer hunting. NAVAL SCENE ENGRAVED ON CYLINDER. CYLINDER, BARREL AND LOADING ASSEMBLY IS BARE METAL. One, an 1851 clone was built of the same parts produced by Uberti when they built the Colt "2nd Gen" percussion revolvers. In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why it broke due to stress risers from the poorly finished part). Even though todays 1858s are made with modern steels and CNC machines, you still want to shoot only light cowboy loads through them. See 18 U.S.C. The grips were too thin to get a good grip of. 1866 Rifle Manual. A) Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolver. Lot 429: Armi San Marco Reproduction 1858 Revolver Two Reproduction Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: November 3, 2016 Estimated Price: $ 200 - $ 500 Price Realized: Details A) Armi San Marco Model 1858 Remington Revolver with Matching Box Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO Model: 1858 Type: Revolver Gauge: 44 percussion Red Coats Get Run Off. By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. The strong top-strap design, the ease of swapping cylinders and the safety notches are all reasons why so many modern cap-and-ball shooters still turn to Fordyce Beals design. The last line about being used since before the civil war is technically inaccurate. Definitely a 50-yard whitetail gun. Mounted Shooting 1873 Rifle Cleaning Instructions. The new value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.95) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $286.19 . 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Finish in very good condition with some scratches and nicks. 1873 Single Action Manual. Please click Accept Cookies to continue to use the site. Used Blued 1858 Cylinder Pins (will fit Pietta and ASM) 4 ea. New in Box-never fired. But, Armi Sport is still in business (under a new name). WebThe 1858 Remington New Army is both a beautiful collectors piece and a rugged side arm. I got to fire a few cap and ball revolvers when on holiday in Italy. THE BLUING IS VERY GOOD BUT SHOWS LIGHT OXIDATION ON THE BACKSTRAP. Buffalo. Although original 1858s were finished in a very uniform blue, I particularly like the color-case hardening on the frame and the plain-jane, oil-finished grips. (#% or 40 grains.) Plain walnut grips. THE LOCK IS IN THE WHITE. I've been told these ASM revolvers' parts interchange with Colt 1st generation.